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Sunday, June 11, 2023

V 13 N. 61 Comparing the Diamond and the NCAA


Well, all good things must come to an end and both the NCAA in Austin and the Diamond League provided the best imaginable entertainment in a non Olympic year for track and field affecionados.

We'll leave the meet analysis to others more capable of those things.   The team results were:

Women   1. Texas 83   2. Florida  51  3. Arkansas  46  4. Oregon 44  5. Tex A&M 36  

                6. Kentucky 28  7. LSU  26    8. Nebraska 25   9. Harvard 23  10. Georgia  19

Men         1. Florida 57   2. Arkansas 53   3. Stanford 44   4. LSU  43   5. Arizona St. 41

                6. Texas Tech 34.5  7. Georgia 28  8. 'Bama 27  9. Washington 26.5  10. BYU 22.5

All NCAA RESULTS  Link  Too many to print out for you.  Just clik on this link.  

Not all events in the NCAA are covered in any one Diamond League event, but there is some overlap where both institutions can be compared.  Here are the ones I could find for the Paris Diamond League events run on the same weekend as the NCAA championships.  Remember not on same track, not same weather, not same cultural environment.  Do wonder what happened to Katelyn Touhy.  Can't win 'em all.  

Can't say it all went smoothly  Did have one problem in Austin.   Our correspondent got an UBER ride to the meet with some guy said his name was Billy Bob.  They paid extra for parking near the track but were too close to the 'call back' official.  Billy Bob wants the door on his pickup truck replaced.  Rather than negotiating with UBER we're starting a Go Fund Me page for Billy Bob.  Here's a photo of the door on that pickup.  P.S. No one was hurt in the parking lot as far as we know.   




One comment came in on NCAA meet from Darryl Taylor so far.  Others will be posted on this site as they arrive. 

I'm having a T&F "High" after these past few days. It just seldom gets any better than this! 
I've found a "new" 800 favorite in Will Sumner after his 1:44.2 win in Texas. No playing 
around, just balls out from the gun. I hope he can restore the US to some type of favor 
on the world stage. Barely out of HS and he is such a gutsy performer. Rest up and get 
ready for the US Nationals!  Great week-end!  Darryl

Right, Darryl,
Sumner had the courage to take it out and dare anyone to run with him.  No one could.
PB by over a second.  The Diamond League men's 800 with seven guys in the 1:43s and
a blanket finish had the look of  a sprint race covering the first five lanes.

All I know is "Uncle Phil" won't put up with this another year.   The Oregon men weren't 
even in the top 5     Mike W.

We survived 21 hr drive (brother Doug alternated tank of gas/400mi) from Ohio to Austin, 100’ heat, and daily gorging on 
bbq (Kreuz, Opie’s, it's all good). and Austin traffic.
Wow, what a meet. unprecedented depth in sprints, emergence of freshman 800 talent Sumner, 
virtual wire to wire 5k run by Valby, Collegiate Record in TJ by Moore, Collegiate Record in 4x4 
by Florida, 1-2 finish by Florida in 400, 1 and 2 finish by U of Florida  in men's and women's 
meets.   (Yeah, I live in Gainesville).
Driving back to Gainesville overnight.  Doug riding Greyhound from Florida to Lima, OH after 
couple days rest.  Bruce Kritzler

Only two real track nuts would do what you did.  Hats off to Bruce and Doug Kritzler.  If anyone 
has any questions 
about Eastern United States, they need to ask you two.  Bill Schnier

 I watched parts of the NCAA and none of the Diamond League, so I don't have much to say.  However, the NCAA 
was primarily a 6-way meet dominated by athletes from other countries so it was a bit hard to get excited about any 
local presence.  The Big 10 and PAC 12 hardly scored.  If you don't recruit the top athletes worldwide, you just can't 
compete.  The same is true for Canadian Football recruiting Americans so they have capped it so there is more of a 
Canadian presence.  In reality, it is worse in golf and tennis where almost everyone in the NCAA comes from 
elsewhere.    Bill Schnier



So  comparing times at both meets.  We extended placings in some events due to interest
 in certain athletes.    English measures calculated by myself if there is error on the inch fractions it 
is my fault.  This done by request from an unnamed official in the Pacific Northwest. George

5000M Women

Diamond League               1. Faith Kipyegon Kenya            NCAA  Parker Valby  Florida

                                                       14:05.2 WR                            15:30.57

800 Meters  Women

Diamond League        1.  Keely Hodgkinson  GBR           NCAA    1. Rose LSU

      Time                           1:55.77                                                       1:59.83


Discus Women         

Diamond League       1.  Valerie Allman  USA                       NCAA    1. Van Klinken Oregon

                                             69.04m       226' 6"                                  65.55m     215'

Pole Vault Women   

Diamond League        1. Kennedy   AUS                                NCAA   1.  Fixen  Virginia Tech

                                             4.77m    15' 7 1/2"                                  4.45m    14'  7"

                                    2. Chevrier   FRA                                 NCAA   2. Campbell Washington    

                                          4.71m   15'  5 1/4"                                     4.45m   14'  7"

                                    3.  Moon USA                                       NCAA  3. Hirata  South Dakota

                                           4.71m    15' 5 1/4"                                     4.40m   14'  5 1/4"

                                     4. Murto  FIN                                       NCAA   4. Hanson Arizona St.

                                            4.61m  15'  1 1/2"                                      4.30m  14' 1 1/4"

                                     5. Morris  USA                                      NCAA 5. Horn   High Point

                                            4.61m  15/  1  1/2"                                     4.30m  14'  1 1/4"

Shot Put Women

Diamond League          1. Dongmo  PORT            NCAA   1. Johannsen  Nebraska

                                          19.72m  64/ 8 1/4"                      19.28m  63' 3"

                                      2. Chase    USA               NCAA     2. Van Klinken  Oregon

                                          19.43m  63' 9"                                18.45m  60' 6"

                                       3.  Ewen    USA                      NCAA  3. Santana  UNLV

                                          19.26m  63' 2 1/4"                          18.37m   60' 3 1/4"

Hammer Women

Diamond League            1. Fantini   ITALY                     NCAA   1. Ratcliffe  Harvard

                                           71.21m  233' 7 1/2"                                73.62m  241'  6 1/2"

High Jump Women      

Diamond League             1.  Olyslagers    AUS                NCAA    1. Charity Griffith  Ball State

                                             2.00m  6' 6 3/4"                                   1.93m  6' 3 3/4"

                                         2 Vashti Cunningham USA       NCAA    2. Distin TX A&M

                                             1.97m  6' 5 1/2"                                    1.87m  6' 1 1/2"

200 M  Women

Diamond League             1.  Gabby Thomas  USA                 NCAA     1. Julien Alfred Texas

                                                      22. 05                                                       21.73

                                         2.  Abby Steiner   USA                  NCAA   2. McKenzie Long Ole Miss

                                                    23.34                                                           21.88

                                         3. Marie Josee Talou  IV Coast      NCAA   3 Kevona Davis  Texas

                                                    22.34                                                         22.02

400 M  Women  

Diamond League              1. Marileidy Palimo Dom Rep       NCAA     1. Rhasidat Adellee  Texas

                                                     49.12                                                               49.20

                                          2. Sidney Mclaughlin Levrone USA  NCAA  2. Brittog Wilson Arkansas

                                                     49.71                                                                49.64

100M Men

Diamond League          1. Noah Lyles  USA                    NCAA     1. Courtney Lindsey  Tex Tech

                                                     9.97                                                           9.98

                                      2. Omanyala  Kenya                   NCAA      2. Godson Oghenebrume LSU

                                                      9.98                                                          9.90

110 HH Men             

   Diamond League        1. Conrad Holloway  USA          NCAA      1.  Lemonius  Arkansas

                                                     12.98                                                           13.24

                                       2. Karou-Mathey  France            NCAA      2.  Wilson Houston  Houston

                                                      13.09                                                           13.26

400 IH  Men  

  Diamond League          1. C.J. Allen  USA                       NCAA      1. Chris Robinson Alabama

                                                      47.92                                                           48.12

                                                                                                              2. Code Long  Alabama

                                                                                                                           48.53

Long Jump Men

   Diamond League        1. Tentoglou  Greece                 NCAA     1. Mclead  Arkansas

                                          8.13m  26' 8"                                            8.26m  27' 1"

                                                                                                          2.  Pinneck  Arkansas

                                                                                                             8.15m  26' 8 3/4"

800 Men

Diamond League       1.  Wanyonie  Kenya                                      1. Sumner     Georgia

                                              1:43.27                                                         1:44.26

                                   2.  Arop     Canada                                          2. Bizimana Texas

                                               1:43.30                                                         1:45.74

3000 Steeple Men  

  Diamond League                  1. Girma  Ethiopia           NCAA     1. Rocks  BYU

                                                        7:52.11 WR                                     8:26.17

Nine events are comparable for women   Diamond League 7 wins    vs.  NCAA  2 wins

Seven  events are comparable for men     Diamond League  6 wins   vs.  NCAA  1 win


George, et al,
 
As I have often said and written, measurements in metrics are meaningless to me.  I can appreciate a 75-foot shot put, etc, but even though I scored at the genius level in mathematics during my college days, I cannot convert metrics to feet and inches, except within a range of several feet either way.  The result is that i don't even look at results in metrics or watch the event on TV.   My several friends with an interest in track and field all agree.   Stupid us!  But it  is what it is.   I don't think it is an age thing, either.  I have two grandchildren, both straight A students in college, and neither is schooled in metrics and cannot convert a 75-foot shot or 7-10 high jump from meters to feet and inches. 
Michael Tymn


To Anyone Still Reading This:
I responded to Michael Tymn's email above thinking it had come from Mike Waters.  Here is that repartee:


   Mike,  l will deal with this later. Currently on my bike in the woods.  But responses are being conjured   .  George

        

Mike,  

In response to your lament (need i use the term 'whine'?)  about metric measurements,  I rose from my bed two hours early to make all those conversions for you on the blog posting which I hope you will appreciate.  It makes me wonder if when you are measuring those javelin throws in metric if you turn the tape over at each reading to confirm what some of us already know?  Are you aware of how to convert metric to English measure?   Do you know the formula for metric to Fahrenheit?  Take metric measure  (Celsius) double it and add 30 degrees.  Thus if the reading is  6 Celsius  you double to 12, add 30 and you get 42 degrees Fahrenheit.  This is why it is so good to live in a metric country like Canada, because a metric six pack of beer has 42 beers in it.  Why you are living in such an uncivilised country is beyond me,  although I must admit it took me 70 years to draw that conclusion about beer.  It should not be anymore difficult for the US to change over than it was for the Swedes to take up metric driving going from the left side of the road to the right side on September 3, 1967.  No one got killed that first day because there was a big educational process leading up to the date.  However when they started drinking metric six packs some problems had to be dealt with quickly.
It is our job to please our customers and deal with their foibles.and so I hope that this email will do the job.  I refer you to an audio-visual explanation to this from one of Canada's more astute teams of scientists.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04u58ifxmRA

And don't forget the legal definition of the lightness of speed in a vacuum,
commonly denoted c, is a universal physical constant that is exactly equal to 299,792,458 metres per second (approximately 300,000 kilometres per second; 186,000 miles per second; 671 million miles per hour).  According to the special theory of relativityc is the upper limit for the speed at which conventional matter or energy (and thus any signal carrying information) can travel through space.
Your humble servant in The Great White North.

LOL! LOL !    Okay, George here's the deal.   We don't use tape.  We use laser.   Oh course I work the college meets.  They may pull tape in high school.
 
When the laser does break down, my crew chief Dick ( for the big meets) has a tape that already is set with the metric conversations    I've only had to do that once at a western oregon meet       
Thanks for all the "hard" work
 
Mike  

I should have known.   All that work for nada.George


"It shouldn't hurt to be in the modern era of track"      
 
                           or
 
"I just wasn't made for these times"    Mike W.

I prefer the life and death struggle of standing on the javelin pitch, trying not to leave a carpet stain to make those measurements.  George

A bit like the Roman Coliseum.  Oh well, modern toys for modern times. George


 
George all you have to do now is stand up with the prism   a good laser person will get the mark in seconds    
The only people "bending over" are the retrievers pulling the jav out of the ground.
Mike W.  




















                       






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