Also Roy Mason, my co-writer had nothing to do with this, so don't bring the Furies down on him.
George Brose
Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter) to
star as Sebastian Coe in film to go in production next year 2015
from Joe Swanson
This link will give you multiple other
links to Bannister's 4 minute mile and articles from numerous news
media and video.
Thoughts on changing coaching
compensation rules from Steve Price.
Maybe
they should start paying coaches by the second(s) their runners bring
their time(s) down during the four (4) years they are on the team.
Say a kid comes in at 4:30 and leaves running 4:10. At
a $1000.00/ second, that would come to a nifty 20 grand. Think that
might change your recruiting philosophy a tad ? Steve
Roy Mason chimed in.
THAT PAY THE COACH BY THE SECOND IDEA WOULD LEAD TO A RASH OF RECRUITING 7 MINUTE MILERS
George's thoughts:
So in the 6-7 minute range we pay fifty cents on each second improved
5-6 minute range $2.00 per second of improvement.
4-5 minute range $5.00 per second improvement.
4:30-4:59 range $7.50 per second improvement
4:20-4:30 range $20 per second improvement
4:10-4:19 range $50 per second improvement
4:05-4:09 range $100 per second improvement.
4:00- 4:04 range $500 per second improvement.
under 4:00 $1000 per second improvement.
THAT PAY THE COACH BY THE SECOND IDEA WOULD LEAD TO A RASH OF RECRUITING 7 MINUTE MILERS
George's thoughts:
So in the 6-7 minute range we pay fifty cents on each second improved
5-6 minute range $2.00 per second of improvement.
4-5 minute range $5.00 per second improvement.
4:30-4:59 range $7.50 per second improvement
4:20-4:30 range $20 per second improvement
4:10-4:19 range $50 per second improvement
4:05-4:09 range $100 per second improvement.
4:00- 4:04 range $500 per second improvement.
under 4:00 $1000 per second improvement.
From Bruce Kritzler
George,
TFN has a link today to "The Snakeman of La Perouse" about John Cann, Austrailian 1956 Olympian in decathlon.
You can find video on youtube - Snakeman of La Perouse.
TFN has a link today to "The Snakeman of La Perouse" about John Cann, Austrailian 1956 Olympian in decathlon.
You can find video on youtube - Snakeman of La Perouse.
From
Jeff Allen:
Hello,
I just found your blog and noticed a few mentions of my father, Jim Allen. He was a top 400 hurdler in 1963. I would love to connect and discuss.
Best,
Jeff Allen
I just found your blog and noticed a few mentions of my father, Jim Allen. He was a top 400 hurdler in 1963. I would love to connect and discuss.
Best,
Jeff Allen
(We
hope to have an article about Jim Allen in the near future.)
From
Joe Swanson , a link to Guardian article on Franz Stampfl;
From
Phil Scott
George:
I enjoyed John Bork Tiger shoe history. Being a multi event athlete I
had a bag full of shoes (sprint shoes,hj, sp&d, jav, training
shoes) I won nationals twice. Never received even a shoe lace ,
never expected anything. If I would have got $ for wearing a mfg.
Shoes. I would have used money to buy more shoes:) I WORE PUMA,
ADIDAS, TIGER & NIKE in one Decathlon.
TO:
Bruce K.
Bruce, I found this interview with Jack Bacheler.
Figured you would be very interested.
Did
you run and train with those guys when you were in Gainesville?
From
Bruce Kritzler:
George,
About
half of those guys were still in Gainesville, when I got there in
1977. Marty Liquori (not mentioned), Byron Dyce, Juris Luzins, are
still there. Jerry Slaven (from Youngstown) now in Tampa, John Parker
(splits time between Tallahassee, Boston, Gainesville). Barry Brown
was the center of things 1977-90, till commiting suicide.
From Phil Scott: Pre
full stride Munich looks like Oregon color scheme Adidas.
Sebastian Coe's pre-Olympic training in
1984 with Joe Newton in Illinois
Need to look up your results in road
races past? From Dennis Kavanaugh
There
is a website--athlinks.com--that lists races and runners, etc. You
can just enter your name and the website will bring up whatever
results they have for you. Depending on location, the results
generally go back about 10 or so years. I believe the New York
Marathon results are listed for each year. (Though, they are on the
marathon website as well.) I think Bolder Boulder results are there
for every year. As an example, results of my friend Bob Meyers are
shown for Bolder Boulder beginning in 1982, when he was only 29.
Shot clip of 1950 AAU meet.
US v. Great Britain 1961
Texas Relays 1962 Camien defeating
Burleson film quality poor.
England v. France 1961
From Phil Scott
56
first glass pole might have been considered cheating. Then in
60 Armin Hary Thief of Starts. 64, the Press
Sisters 68 - 88 East Germany 84 Ben Johnson, Flo
JO
92
Jackie Joyner? 96 Jackie Joyner, 2000 Marion Jones.
I forgot all the weight men and ladies who would cover
most of the other years in this century.
And it must be remembered that all
kinds of commercial additives were being given to long distance
runners in the 1890's and onward. A number of cyclists dropped dead
during competition in those days.
Gamesmanship in the 1900 Olympics
from This Day in Track and Field by Walt Murphy
It was a busy day at the 1900 Olympic in Paris, with gold medals determined in 10 events, some of which had short Olympic lives. Many religious athletes declined to compete in their respective finals, which were held on a Sunday! And there was no traditional track! Events were contested on a grass field, with running events conducted on a 500-meters loop,60m/Long Jump=Al Kraenzlein won his 2nd and 3rd gold medals(won the 110-hurdles the previous day), edging U.S. teammate Walter Tewksbury in the sprint as both were timed in 7.0. The long jump was filled with controversy. Marks in Saturday's qualifying round would count towards determining the eventual winner, and Myer Prinstein led the way with a jump of 23-1 1/2(7.175), with Kraenzlein 2nd at 22-9(6.93). Even though he was Jewish, and had competed on his own Sabbath, Prinstein was told by his college(Syracuse) that he couldn't compete on Sunday. He reportedly entered into an agreement with Kraenzlein that neither would compete on Sunday. But Kraenzlein did compete, and wound up as the Olympic champion after topping Prinstein's qualifying mark by one centimeter (7.185[23-2). Prinstein had to be restrained from going after Kraenzlein when the result was announced! He gained some consolation by winning the gold medal at the 1904 Olympics
From Ernie Cunliffe:
Just
got my summer issue of the Olympian magazine with 2 T & F
obits.
Phil Conley Javelin in 56 games. Mr everything at Cal Tech. I knew him quite well as he and his wife
Fran were around Stanford a lot when I was there. Fran was the "female" Dr who was discriminated
against at Stanford Med School Faculty mainly because she was a woman.
Anyway: Phil was 79 when he died on March 14th 2014. My Olympic book has him as 10th at the
Olympics. Got a PR in the O trials with a 2nd place throw of 244+ but threw 228+ in Olympics.
Phil Conley Javelin in 56 games. Mr everything at Cal Tech. I knew him quite well as he and his wife
Fran were around Stanford a lot when I was there. Fran was the "female" Dr who was discriminated
against at Stanford Med School Faculty mainly because she was a woman.
Anyway: Phil was 79 when he died on March 14th 2014. My Olympic book has him as 10th at the
Olympics. Got a PR in the O trials with a 2nd place throw of 244+ but threw 228+ in Olympics.
Emma
Reed Wright who competed in the 48 games as Emma Reed.
Won O trials long (sorry it was broad jump then) jump with 18' +
and was 3rd in high jump with 5' +. Dropped way off at
the Olympics with almost a 16' long jump for 12th. Got
14th with a 4' 7" + in high jump. Her PR in high
jump would not have
placed
for a medal, but her PR in LJ would have taken silver.
Emma
died April 4th 2014 at the age of 88.
Conley's
PR in the O trials of 56 was the 244+ but his PR best was in the
early 1960s when he threw
260+
Emma Reed won 48 O trials in LJ with 18' 4 5/8 " . The Olympic list of athletes credits her with
an 18' 4 1/4" which would not have been silver at Olympics but bronze. I could not find when she
became Emma Reed Wright and am not sure if she was married as the Olympian magazine is vague
on her status and lists a sister and several nieces and nephews as survivors.
260+
Emma Reed won 48 O trials in LJ with 18' 4 5/8 " . The Olympic list of athletes credits her with
an 18' 4 1/4" which would not have been silver at Olympics but bronze. I could not find when she
became Emma Reed Wright and am not sure if she was married as the Olympian magazine is vague
on her status and lists a sister and several nieces and nephews as survivors.
George Brose and Steve Price exchange
I was just reading up on Gen. Arthur St. Clair's defeat at the
hands of the Shawnees, Delaware and a couple other tribes near Ft.
Recovery, Ohio. Biggest defeat ever at the hands of the
Indians. 84% loss. Of course Custer had to top him
on percentage but not total casualties. He still got a
street named for him in Dayton. Just got an email from John
Mason, former good miler late 60's.
John Mason was one hell of a good miler. Maybe from
Kansas/Nebraska area ? Thanks for the info on Ft. Recovery/St.
Clair. I was a tad familiar with the battle but didn't realize to
what extent the Feds took a major ass whipping. I will send this
on. Steve
Note from Roy Mason after sending me
his completed piece on Day One of 1964 Olympics
Finally
got the son of a bitch done.
From Rick Lower:
George-
Do you have any list of T&F historical sites? Whether its track spikes like Phil Scott or specific event focuses like the attached, or Bob Roncker's museum?
Thks!
http://parade.condenast.com/304684/parade/how-i-started-a-pole-vaulting-museum-on-facebook/
Do you have any list of T&F historical sites? Whether its track spikes like Phil Scott or specific event focuses like the attached, or Bob Roncker's museum?
Thks!
http://parade.condenast.com/304684/parade/how-i-started-a-pole-vaulting-museum-on-facebook/
Another track statistics and news
source. Americans, remember that the word 'athletics' means track
field in most of the rest of the world.
Note to Orville Atkins after my trip to
the Pre Classic last May.
Orville,
We're dinosaurs. I have no way of equating to all those
people running 4 hour marathons either. Seems like a long time
to do the same amount of work. I ran 2 hr.. 51 at Boston in
1978 and was 1259th place. You had to run sub 2 hr. 50 min to
get in the race. I blew up that day. Now they (organizers) make a phenomenal amount of money
allowing all the joggers to get in. I was talking yesterday to
a guy on the ferry back to Vancouver Island. He had run some
marathon in Newport , OR trying to qualify. Needed a 3 hr. 40
to get in for his age group. Most of the adults in my club here
do not know Billy Mills or Bob Schul. They don't know interval
running, etc.
This
weekend I got to Eugene , OR for the first time and saw the Pre
Classic. What an event, and I had a press pass so could talk
with athletes when I wasn't watching them run; i think it
could go on a bucket list of things to do. Met Mo Farah at
breakfast. He drove a big black Cadillac Escalade with tinted
windows. Looked like a Secret Service Car. Twenty
six sub four minute miles in that meet.
Note from Steve Price
Subject: Meet Alexa Efraimson, the fastest 1,600-meter runner in high school history
|
Pete Brown sent
this:
http://news.distractify.com/culture/sports/haunting-images-of-abandoned-olym
pic-venues/
http://news.distractify.com/culture/sports/haunting-images-of-abandoned-olym
pic-venues/
The truth about running came to us from
Mike Solomon:
Note to John Bork: PS. Modern
military people can correct me if I'm way off on some of the things I
said here.
If
your Dad was a pipe fitter in the ship building industry (WWII era) , he
probably picked up a lot of asbestos in those confined areas. I'd say
that was a very dangerous environment to be in even if the
bullets were not flying.
.
The
military was a strange way of life. You could be running track
for the army or marines and air force or getting into some nasty
situations if you were on the other end of the spectrum.
Something like only twenty percent (?) of the guys who were in
Viet Nam were ever shot at. A lot of them were in
support
jobs. Now those jobs are all filled by highly paid
'contractors' or lowly paid food service people. I don't think
anybody pulls KP anymore in the military. So a lot higher
percentage of the guys and gals in the army now are more often in the shit so to
speak than they were back when.
I'd
say I had it about as cushy as it got (PSYOPS Germany), and the closest I got to
combat was not in the military but in the Congo or China
as a civilian in Tiananmen Square when were were teaching there.
Our
daughter who was 17 then got PTSD from that experience. It was
wild times and we were indeed naive. George
From Phil Scott:
George:
Thanks again for reposting about the veterans. We have just
returned from placing flowers on my parents grave and my father in
laws grave. My father was landing craft boat commander in the
Pacific. My father in law worked B 29 factory during the war.
Phil
Scott
From Undisclosed Source;
Here
are two tremendous articles:
One
on Flo-Jo the other on Chinese training in Kenya.
with
pictures in Kenya telling the story just as beautifully as the words
of the article do.
From Jerry McFadden about my connecting with John Cobley, www.racingpast.ca .
George,
Definitely
an interesting contact for you. Great photo, too. You are creating a
fantastic global network of old running junkies. I also think you are
obtaining enough materials for your own book on running greats!
P.S.
I think he tops with a dinner with Michel Bernard & Anders
Garderud, at least 2 to 1 (Schul rates with those two!). Also,
yes, Marcel Cedan, France's most famous boxer, died in a trans
Atlantic crash. He was Edity Piaf's great love.
Jerry
Notes on Roger
Bannister's 4:00 mile anniversary:
Pete Brown sent:
The race went
off at 6pm in Oxford, so it was 7 hours earlier on the west
coast, or 11am. I learned about it late that afternoon at my
grandfather’s house which was on the way home from school, where I
was in the 9th grade at Eliot Jr High
in Altadena, CA. He had the radio on as I remember. Then I
saw Santee a month later run 4:00.5 at Compton. The fans really
were into that race with everybody standing and screaming from the
time the gun went off.
George wrote:
Yesterday
we ran a Roger Bannister anniversary mile at the Comox Valley Road
Runners Club's Tuesday gathering here in Courtenay, BC. How
many other clubs can say that?
Your's
truly could only manage a 7:19 (age 71) and got lapped by a guy who ran a
5:13.
At
the track we had two ladies with unique stories , both club members.
One Roz Smith, club president, had set the Canadian
marathon record last Sunday in Vancouver with a 3hr 43 minutes for
the 65-69 age group. This year she has broken the course age
group record in every race she has run.
The
other Diane Palmerson, also a club member, was the previous
65-69 age group record holder. She has held many world
best age group records from 200 meters to the marathon over the
years. She participated as a 16 year old sprinter in the 1954
Empire Games in Vancouver and witnessed the Bannister Landy mile and
the Jim Peters melt down in the marathon that same day. She
wore her 1954 team blazer yesterday. Diane is such a
perfectionist that she came out and measured where the 440 yard
splits would be for the mile on the 400 meter track. She
also talked a bit about the Games that year and mentioned that 220
yards was the longest distance women were allowed to run in those
days. A doctor in the crowd mentioned that "officials'
then thought that women would suffer from prolapsed uteruses and not
be able to bear children. Diane then calmly stated, "We
asked them if that were the case, why did they allow men to run
hurdles?"
Roy Mason wrote:
7:19,
pretty good for an old timer. Yet I remember the youthful
version who, back in the day, outkicked Dexter in the Mendocino
Golden Mile 5:23 to 5:26.
When was that about 1995? George
19
years ago? No, surely not. More like 3 or 4 as I
remember. But then you could judge from Jacques' age.
He was underage and got served in a restaurant and a bar.
The highlight of his trip as I recall. Roy
Bill Schnier wrote:
I
don't know where you meet all these people but they are really gems.
Had I been in that Bannister race, you would have lapped me.
That's why I am staying out of British Commonwealth countries.
I will concur with the thinking that running a 400 or farther
was considered dangerous to child bearing. My father passed
that on to me, not out of any personal knowledge but only because
that was the common thinking at that time. Apparently we have
progressed beyond that, far beyond that. After watching the
Flying Pig Marathon on Sunday, I must only conclude that there is
thinking that men should not run long distance races. I would
roughly say that 65% of the runners were female. Bill
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