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Sunday, November 13, 2022

V12 N. 81 Cross Country Nationals When Small Colleges Could Test Their Mettle Against the Big Boys

November 12, 2022 


Preface:   If you are wondering about my use of the word 'mettle'  in the title of this piece, here is the Google Dictionary definition:

 a person's ability to cope well with difficulties or to face a demanding situation in a spirited and resilient way.

"the team showed their true mettle in the second half"   

I have no one to blame for this posting except myself and Walt Murphy.  Every day I receive his newsletter  This Day in X Country-Track and Field with info about our sport that happened on that day going back to the 19th century.  Well today (November 12) there was a link to a site that talked about when DIII runners could qualify to run in the big show (DI cross country nationals).  Some years they didn't even have to qualify, they just went if they could find a budget.  Those small schools traditionally ran their nationals on a Saturday and the big division had theirs two days later on Monday.  With a travel day on Sunday, an ambitious runner and his or her coach could hop in the station wagon and drive from the DIII site and have another go next day. Often it was just a hop from Wheaton, IL to East Lansing, MI.  And some of these small college runners did very well.  Before there were big and large school divisions the small schools joined in at East Lansing.  In fact, Quentin Brelsford of Ohio Wesleyan University won the race in 1946. In those days it was rare to see a school from west of the Mississippi or south of the Ohio rivers competing at the NCAA nationals.

Kirk Reynolds at Pomona-Pitzer College  has developed a nice website with DIII history including results from 1973 to 1990 for DIII runners who went to the big show (Div I)

This link will give you a page with some of that history about how DIII individual runners (not teams)  made the trek between the two races and how they placed.  https://www.sagehens.com/sports/wxc/HistoriansReport/Div-III-at-Div-I-meet.htm

I recall going to Madison, WI in 1978 to see the Div I race and being very impressed by Dan Henderson, a runner from Wheaton College, placing very well in that race and  going head to head with Alberto Salazar, Thom Hunt, Rudy Chapa, Michael Musyoki and even Henry Rono who had an off day.  The other thing I recall about that weekend ride to Madison, Wisconsin was hearing the breaking news about the Jonestown, Guyana massacre.

comment from Dave Elger and video of 1978 race. 


Dave Elger

1:53 AM (10 hours ago)
to me

I was at that race in Madison with my trusty Super 8 video camera.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVo7pyujkGQ&t=62s

Note:  Henderson is the tall runner with an orange hat (toque)  on his head


What Kirk Reynolds' website does not show are the results from 1958 to 73 when there were no DI DII and DIII divisions but only 'College' and 'University' divisions.  Fortunately I was able to dig out those years from T&FN archives.  As wiseacres might say, "It takes a certain mentality to go through old stats."  I'm normally not one of those guys, but today I have reason.  Living up here on Vancouver Island, there's not much else to do in the winter.  Actually that's not true. There is wood to chop and salmon to catch.   The reason I did this is I got to know a fellow up here who won the college division race for the University of North Dakota in 1967 and two days later finished  second in the University division at Laramie, WY not far behind Gerry Lindgren. His name was Arjan Gelling, a Dutch immigrant to Canada who came down south to go to college.  Arjan passed away about five years ago, but I was able to meet him several times and develop a bond and wrote a piece about him for this blog.

Here is the link to that piece:  https://onceuponatimeinthevest.blogspot.com/2015/06/v-5-no-55-arjan-gelling-dutch-canadian.html

 Here then are those results of small school runners and how they did in their College Division race and then the University Division from 1958-1973.  If you continue reading from this point you may have a lifetime subscription to this blog and also check in to the nearest TSA (Track Stats Anonymous) meeting room.   You can talk your way through this with other track nuts.  Also I've highlighted a few names that I recall went on to bigger and better things in the track and cross country world.  You may recognize some of my omissions.    

1958

College Div Place        University Div Place     Name                             School

           3rd                               3rd                  Ed Vander Heuvel     Central Michigan

           DNR                            4th                   Tom Rodda  Kans. State Teachers Col.

                                                                        (later called Emporia St in 1974)

           DNR                            11th                 David Peele                     Beloit

            DNR                            18th               Duane Holman  Kans. St. Teachers Col

            DNR                           41                    Frank Finnerty               Alfred

           4th                               45th                  Warren Hall                    Wabash

George,
Dave Peele, 1958 Beloit, was a prof at UM, Ann Arbor. He and I rode with Jack Knoll to Boston Marathon in 71 or 72.  Bruce Kritzler

1959

            5th                              27th                  Warren Hall                     Wabash

             DNR                          23rd                   Larry Sweet                     Alfred

             DNR                          37th                    Frank Finnerty                Alfred

             DNR                           41st                    Tom Ryan                      Lemoyne

1960

              DNR                           12th                     Larry Sweet                   Alfred

              DNR                            52nd                   Ron Reinhart                Wabash

               DNR                           75th                    Joseph Di Camillo         Alfred

Of note in 1960.   It doesn't look as if Alfred College was even aware of the College Division race as they don't appear to go to it.   Also one of the University Division runners caught my attention.  Finishing 78th this year from the US Military Academy admittedly a University Division school was Ron Zinn who would represent the US in 1964 as a race walker and later die as an officer in Viet Nam.  

1961

                4th                            24th                       Les Hegedus                   Central State (OH)

                6th                            66th                       Tim Burns                       Buffalo State

                 DNR                        17th                       Dennis Moore                 Abeline Christian

                 DNR                        33rd                       John Lawler                    Abeline Christian

                27th                          99th                       Wm Keller                       Oberlin

                 41st                         108th                      Wm Flynn                        Buffalo St.

1962

                 1st                             7th                         Les Hegedus                    Central St. (OH)

                 8th                            87th                         Wm Moore                      Central St. (OH)

                  DNR                       114th                        Fred Kurz                        Chicago

See our post on Les Hegedus      Les Hegedus

1963

                  1st                               2nd                        John Camien    Kansas St Teachers Col

                  6th                              75th                        Wm Moore                     Central St (OH)

                  12th                           104th                        Loren Wilkinson             Wheaton

                   13th                            65th                         Wm Wise                        Thiel

1964

                    2nd                            46th                         Wm Moore                        Central St (OH)

                    6th                              8th                          Robert Lally                      SUNY Cortland

                    9th                              91st                         Dave Shuler                    West Liberty State

                    13th                           101st                        Ernest Wilson                   North Dakota

                     17th                           110st                        Robert Fitts                      SUNY Cortland

1965

                      1st                             14th                          Gene Takle                         Luther

                      3rd                             25th                         David Heffern                    South Dakota

                       4th                            26th                           Donald Knox                      Kentucky St.

                       8th                            35th                            Edw. Watt                          N.E. Louisiana

                       12th                          85th                           Ronald Werling                  N.E. Missouri St.

                        13th                        116th                            Kevin Keogh                      Western Illinois

1966

                         1st                           9th                               Bob Fitts                            SUNY Cortland

                         2nd                          6th                               Ambrose Burfoot           Wesleyan

                         11th                         51st                              Ronald Werling                 N.E. Missouri

                          12th                        75th                              Peter Hildebrand                Chicago

1967

                           1st                           2nd                              Arjan Gelling                  North Dakota

                            DNR                      6th                               Ambrose Burfoot            Wesleyan

                            7th                         72nd                            John Kerr                            Ball State

                            15th                        32nd                            Bruce Sundet                      Luther

1968

                             DNR                       4th                               Grant Colhour     Eastern Kentucky

                              DNR                      14th                             Ken Silvius         Eastern Kentucky

                             3rd                          35th                             Troy Roberts                   Western Illinois

                            5th                           81st                              Arjan Gelling                   North Dakota'

1969

                             1st                           41st                              Ron Stonitsch               C.W. Post

                             2nd                          49th                             John Cragg                 St. Johns (MN)

                             4th                           160th                           Martin McIntire          Eastern Illinois

                             5th                             32nd                          Jerome Dirken             St. Cloud St.

                              7th                           114th                          Alan Taylor                  Illinois State

1970

                              1st                             16th                          Mark Covert                 Cal St. Fullerton

                               2nd                           21st                           John Cragg                    St. Johns (MN)

                               9th                             55th                          Wm Ryan                   Cal Poly Pomona

1971

                                1st                             3rd                           Mike Slack                 North Dakota

                                 3rd                           40th                          Mark Covert           Cal St Fullerton

                                 4th                            22nd                         Daniel Moynihan         Tufts

                                 5th                            17th                           John Casso              Cal St Fullerton

                                  7th                            77th                          Randy Lussenden      North Dakota

                                   8th                            86th                        Steve Podgajay         Lockhaven

                                    9th                           131st                        Chris Hoffman        Cal St Fullerton

1972

                                    DNR                        30th                         Jeff Lough                Cal St LA

                                   1st                             40th                         Mike Slack               North Dakota

                                   2nd                            85th                         Daniel Moynihan        Tufts

                                    4th                            34th                        Garry Bentley            South Dakota

                                    12th                          97th                         Tom Fleming    Wm. Patterson

1973

                                     2nd                          112th                       Glenn Behnke             North Central

                                     4th                           114th                       Francis Verdoliva     SUNY Oswego

                                     5th                           105th                       Fernando Suarez      SUNY Oswego


After 1973  the DI  DII and DIII divisions were created, there were fewer openings for the smaller schools to attend the DI meet.  That continued until 1990.   I'm sure I've made some mistakes in this as schools moved up from College to University divisions during this period.  Southern Illinois, Central Michigan, Ball State, Abilene Christian for example.  So if you find errors or feel someone was left out, please let me know.  I normally don't do things like this, but it was a slow news day.  Hopefully in the near future I will be able to do something about the DIII women going to the big show. 

 In writing this piece and culling names from the records late into the night, I could not help but think of all the incredible people who have gone to the line in all the cross country meets everywhere.  They are the "people with few options" as my friend Bill Schnier has said.  They couldn't play football or basketball.  They had to work or do paper routes in the early hours or ran two miles each way to school and back.  Cross Country was their only option.  Most were for some reason well above average in the classroom and must have contributed well to mankind as adults.  Bless 'em all.   

.      George Brose


                                  

The first addition to this piece comes from Geoff Pietsch who sent some of the results from the 1956 NCAA meet.  This was according to the Pomona Pitzer site, before the NCAA used the terms College and University Divisions, which was the scope of my article, but I'll put tput this in anyway.


George,
      Some additions for your small college guys at NCAAs.  My college, Union (Schenectady) had a couple of excellent guys when I was there. As you can see, below, In 1956 (my sophomore year) John Parillo (former NY State H.S. champ, from Schenectady) placed 24th. 
     Two years later, Tom Hoffman of Union soundly beat Frank Finnerty of Alfred (who is on your list multiple times) twice during the season but then got sick in November for IC4As. If not, he might well have been second that year and in contention for top 10 at NCAAs. What is especially remarkable about Parillo and Hoffman is that they ran so well on probably 25 miles a week training. Our coach - and also Union's A.D. -was a former Big 10 discus champ. Nice guy but... In my 2 ½ seasons of XC we only ran longer than five miles twice. TWICE in 2 ½ seasons. 
       Hoffman and I took an intro Human Biology course together. After lunch. One day the prof had us check our resting pulse rates. Mine was 52. Tom's was 36. Who knows what he might have done.
Geoff 

P.S. I copied this to Walt. I found this fascinating website for New England and vicinity small college results here. If you go to it. Click on a college. Nothing seems to happen but if you go back and scroll down to the college, each year appears.) 







26 November 1956, NCAA @East Lansing MI, 4 miles

27F, 3" of snow on the ground

 1 Walter McNew        Texas    19:55.7

 2 James Beatty        UNC    20:09

 3 Henry Kennedy    MI St    20:10

24 John Parillo        Union    20:54.1

25 Lewis Stieglitz    Conn    20:54.2

31 Frank Finnerty    Alfred    21:07


           This came in from Dave Elger in South Korea

Great stuff.  I ran with Glenn Behnke's (1973)  brother Donn. at Stevens Point who has won 11 or 12 state titles 
(Chris Arnand Suzy Favor Hamilton grad).  Another Point runner Arne Schroeder won DIII and came back to get 
11th in DI in 1986.   
Dear George:

As a bit of trivia for your article.

1964 was the last year the Cross Country Championship was run at the four mile distance.  The race was run at East Lansing, MI.

1965 was the first year the NCAA ran at the six mile distance.  The race was run at Lawrence, KS.

The championship was won, both years, by Western Michigan University under Coach George Dales.

Take care,

Tom Coyne


 

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