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Beginning our 14th year and 1,200+ postings. A blog for athletes and fans of 20th century Track and Field culled from articles in sports journals of the day, original articles, book reviews, and commentaries from readers who lived and ran and coached in that era. We're equivalent to an Amer. Legion post of Track and Field but without cheap beer. You may contact us directly at irathermediate@gmail.com or write a comment below. George Brose, Courtenay, BC ed.

Once Upon a Time in the Vest

Friday, May 17, 2019

V 9 N. 17 A Few More Musings: on An old poster, the dieing Relay Meets, Matt Boling




Hey,  in 1938, how many six packs of Foster's would it take to get you to take off your clothes and pose with your wife's pie plate?  
Thanks to Ned Price for sending this to us.

Lest we forget, Leni Reifenstahl got Glenn Morris, the 1936 Olympic decathlon champ,  to strike a similar pose for her Olympia film.  She was said to be having an affair with him at the time.  This chap is probably off some sheep station in the Outback.

Here we are already after briefly noting this morning the lack of action on this blog.  Now two postings in one day.  We ain't dead yet.

Other musings.  I watched the World Relay Championships with feigned interest and was monumentally bored.  It was worse than NASCAR, and the mixed events were even worse.   Maybe and this is a big maybe, the mixed relays might be a tad more interesting at the end of the Olympics or World Championships when teams are made up from medallists in the individual events with north - south or east - west team competition like the old World Cup.   Just doesn't look like that much fun.  Maybe if they had to jump over flaming pits of oil or get chased by uncaged tigers?  But then that would be like the Roman Colisseum, and that would bring on the final decline and fall of western and eastern and southern civilization.  Nothing compares to the  college relays which are sadly and rapidly dieing as college dual meets did years ago with the chase for NCAA qualifying times all but taking away the glamour of Texas, Kansas, Mt. Sac,  Penn and Drake.  The Big 12 and SEC held a relays competition on the same weekend as Penn and Drake and drew many big teams away as did a relays meet in Florida.    Conversations from a few friends below show a common sentiment.  


George,

I’m very disappointed in what happened to the three most exciting events of our college careers. The other events that really stuck in my memory (which means that it was a big deal) are the Big 8 Championships and the OU Dual. Drake was my favorite, the announcer knew everybody and gave a play by play during the races. Kansas is terrible now, Kansas is the only major university competing at the Kansas Relays. The college relay times are really slow. 

Texas Relays is really boring, each event has 10 sections or so and it takes forever to get the meet over. Saturday used to be a 2 hour competition packed event with college relay followed by University and the colleges were outstanding, Southern, Texas Southern and Grambling put on a show. 

Tom, Jimmy, David and I would talk about the two mile relay and our goals everyday for months before we finally got the conditions and competition for our World Record at Fresno. 

Drake times were always faster than Penn but it was because the Penn Track was terrible. We ran at Penn in 1964 and Hig tried to talk us into going back in 1966 to get revenge on Villanova but we told him “no”. John Perry



 I agree with John Perry.  Drake and Penn were fabulous meets, loaded with outstanding performances and supported by huge and enthusiastic crowds.  The track crowds are not plentiful enough for every school to have a major meet, but when there is one or more already established, the track community needs to embrace it and support it.  Penn still got a good crowd but because the competition was so mediocre, I doubt if that support will continue.  Filling in at both Drake and Penn are the professionals because the college teams are just not present but the pros just do not have a following and there is no sense of rivalry such as OU vs. OSU.  As usual, our downfall is usually not from without but within.
   Bill Schnier


  Dual or tri mets are the best.  Think about other sports:  Army vs. Navy.  Ohio State vs. Michigan.  Florida vs. Florida State.  USC vs. UCLA.  For 10 years we had the best of all worlds with the Southern Ohio Cup:  Cincinnati, Miami, Ohio.  A team in black, a team in red, a team in Green.  It was scored combined men and women.  The intensity was electric.  At first the athletes assumed they would get no marks because there were not many teams, but at the end of the year many if not most of the seasonal bests came from that meet for all the teams.  It did not last past 10 years because Ohio dropped men's track and Miami cut half their scholarships.  Back to large invitationals because we had lost our rivals.

Dear Will and Friends:

I feel rewarded to see so many people attending the Penn Relays!
It's the only place other than Hayward Field at U of Oregon that
is contested to a relatively full house.
I think that the 10,000 to 20,000 Jamaicans that fly up to watch their high school, college and Olympic
athletes compete helps out a lot. 
I  am not particularly fond of their USA vs. the world format. But, hey it, seems to be a winning formula.
Did you notice that the guys holding the finish tape - stood a yard back of the finish line so as not to interfere with the electronic Timing Cameras? 

Also, While I still remember the 3  lanes inside the main track, but, I had never seen them use these three lanes for relay events before, which required
teams in those lanes breaking out for the pole after using up their staggers,  With the teams in the outside lanes breaking for the pole and teams on the inside
lanes breaking out foir the pole, I was surprise that no one got pinched off or squeezed out! Yikes! It seemed to me that they used those extra 3 lanes for straightaway events like the100M Dash and the Hurdles! ????  

I love seeing Renaldo "Skeets" Neimiah being interviewed. Did any of you pick up on where he is coaching?

Do any of you know how many Jamaicans actually now attend.
I  heard the 20,000 figure 4-5 years ago.

As for The  Drake Relays, the small market that Des Moines offers and the shitty weather
really dampens attendance there.
When I competed at Drake for Western Michigan in 1959 thru 1961 we only had one year of snotty-rainy weather,  in 1960.
If it were not for the USATFF Contact with NBC/NBCSN Drake would disappear into the corn fields.

PS: Anecdote  from Drake Relays circa 1959 or1960.
      I remember that Charlie Greene, who was at the top of the sprint world back then, thought he had discovered the anecdote
      for signing autographs. I was next to him at the base of the stands signing a couple of autographs
     (even though I was an unknown). Well,  there was Charlie hauling out a rubber stamp & stamp pad & began stamping his autograph on eager kids programs!
     I remember some kids being turned off by Charlie's audacity! You had to laugh!

As for the ACC and SE Conference teams, etc. It is what it is. you can't blame them for staying close to home and performing in warmer more predictable weather.
(Aside from potential for tornado's)

I, too, deeply miss the days, now long gone, where teams had budgets that allowed for a full schedule of dual meets!
I was fortunate to be part of a WMU team that defeated mighty Big Ten Champs in a dual meet.
About 3,000 students attended that meet. They went crazy when we slammed the 3 mile, led my Jerry Ashmore and them won the mile relay!

John Bork

WMU Class of 1961

And finally  How about Matt Boling of Houston Strake Jesuit running 44.74 on a 4x400 in Texas?  He also has a 9.98 wind aided 100 meters.  The real deal?  We think so. 

Matt Boling
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V 9 N. 16 A Unique Kind of Cross Country Meet in June

As most of you are aware, this blog is rapidly slowing down in its production capacity.  However the following literature came across my desk recently and I just couldn't resist posting it on our network.  It is simply a chance for old timers to get together in their area and have a friendly run repesenting their old high schools.  You of great trivia knowledge may recognize West Milton, Ohio as Bob Schul's hometown.  I'm not sure Bob will be running in this, but I'm certain that some of his former athletes and fans will be in attendance.  Best of luck to Kyle Klingler and Ryan King who are organizing and sponsoring this event.    George Brose
All,

Almost one month away from the Alumni XC Race! So far, 10 teams have been created from around the Miami County area and surrounding! Remember, this race will score like a typical XC meet so a team will need 5 in order to score and participants must run with the high school team that they attended! There is also the option to run unattached without a team for anyone not interested in taking place in the team competition.

Other big news, Jeff McDaniel has graciously offered up his house to host the after party event for those wishing to hang out after the race for a drink and to catch up! There will be a lot of room for parking, however to save any possible room it is recommended to carpool with others from Milton Union High School for the after party since his house is only 10 minutes away. Some drinks may be provided but it is recommended to bring your own. Also, ordering pizza may be an option and we ask that anyone interested bring a few bucks to help chip in if they wish to eat! Weather permitting, there will be a bonfire and cornhole!

And a final reminder to wear any old jerseys, shirts, etc. to represent your old team! Could be a fun addition to see the history of different XC programs and a cool way to show some spirit! 

The link to register is below. Make sure to sign up and keep spreading the word to others. Currently, Troy Christian leads the way as the biggest team so our plan of claiming the highly coveted Alumni XC Champions title is looking nice and easy
 https://runsignup.com/Race/OH/WestMilton/CSRCAlumniXCMeet 


Thanks,
Kyle Klingler 

On Sun, Apr 14, 2019 at 11:07 AM Meredith, Michael <MeredithM@muschools.com> wrote:
I have the course ready.  Its a 2500 meter double loop with the start and finish in the infield.  We will have a great time.


Subject:Alumni Cross Country Meet - June 21

All,

A message from Kyle Klingler (area runner, former Troy Christian athlete, and creator of this event)

This summer, Can't Stop Running Co. will be hosting the first ever Alumni Cross Country Meet! An event focused on reuniting all alumni XC runners from the Miami County and surrounding areas. Run with your old teammates, old competitors/friends, and represent your old high school team! The format is a traditional Cross Country Meet on everyone's favorite cross country course in West Milton.

This email is to reach the current contact points of all surrounding schools. We'd love for you to participate yourself as well as spread this information to all of the alumni you can reach! The biggest focus of this event isn't just competition, but the reunion of old friends, coaches, and teammates. So whether you want to run, walk, or just hang out, all are welcome!

Last big thing. Make sure to wear any old jerseys, shirts, etc. to represent your old high school. The official link to the event for further details and to sign up is below:
  https://runsignup.com/Race/OH/WestMilton/CSRCAlumniXCMeet
When you sign up, be sure to Join your high school's team or create a group for your team if it is not already listed.

If you have any further questions, please let us know.

Thanks!
Ryan King
Can't Stop Running Co.
Can't Stop Timing Ltd
321 N Main St, Piqua, OH 45356
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Payton Jordan

Payton Jordan

Pytor Bolotnikov 1930-2013

Pytor Bolotnikov 1930-2013
Pytor Bolotnikov 1930-2013

Brasher, Bannister, Stampl, Chataway

Brasher, Bannister, Stampl, Chataway

Davis, Williams, Plummer, Young

Davis, Williams, Plummer, Young

Bannister and Landy 1954

Bannister and Landy 1954

Young, Schul, Mills

Young, Schul, Mills

Burleson, Ryun, Grelle, O'Hara, Weisiger, San Romani Jr.

Burleson, Ryun, Grelle, O'Hara, Weisiger, San Romani Jr.

Valery Brumel

Valery Brumel
Valery Brumel

Mizunos worn by Wes Santee

Mizunos worn by Wes Santee

Early Saucony Trainers 1960s

Early Saucony Trainers 1960s
Early Saucony Trainers 1960's







Ron Delany

4x100 podium Rome 1960

4x100 podium Rome 1960

4x400 finish Rome 1960 Otis Davis

4x400 finish Rome 1960 Otis Davis

Max Truex

Max Truex

Bolotnikov XC

Jack Yerman

Don Bragg

Don Bragg

Rafer Johnson in 'Sgt. Rutledge'

Rafer Johnson in 'Sgt. Rutledge'

Herb Elliot

Herb Elliot

Percy and Herb

Percy and Herb

Herb Elliot 2004 Sydney

Herb Elliot 2004 Sydney

Rozsavolgyi

Rozsavolgyi

Rozsy today

Rozsy today

The Michel's Bernard and Jazy

The Michel's Bernard and Jazy

Jazy at work as typographer at L'Equipe

Jazy at work as typographer at L'Equipe

Jack Yerman and Jerry Siebert

Jack Yerman and Jerry Siebert

Milkah Singh

Milkah Singh

Mal Spence Brit. West Indies

Mal Spence  Brit. West Indies

Dan Waern

Dan Waern

Dan Waern

Dan Waern

Les Carney, Ohio Univ. Bobcat

Les Carney, Ohio Univ. Bobcat
His visionary school has dropped men's track

Ron Clarke and John Landy

Ron Clarke  and John Landy

Michigan State NCAA XC Champs 1959

Michigan State NCAA XC Champs 1959

e. Cunliffe, front/center

e. Cunliffe, front/center

Bob Soth 10,000 Russian dual 1959

Bob Soth 10,000 Russian dual 1959

Jerry McFadden, George Brose with Bob Schul

Jerry McFadden, George Brose with Bob Schul
Oct 6, 2011 Beavercreek, OH

Istvan Rosavolgyi

Istvan Rosavolgyi

Cliff Cushman

Cliff Cushman
Sitll an M.I.A. in Viet Nam

Dallas Long

Dallas Long

Dallas Long

Dallas Long

Dave and Don Styron

Dave and Don Styron

Women's 800 1928

Women's 800 1928

Milka Singh

Milka Singh

Wilma Rudolph

Wilma Rudolph

Earl Young

Earl Young

Herb Elliott

Herb Elliott

Herb of the Sands

Herb of the Sands

bobby morrow

bobby morrow

vladmir kuts

vladmir kuts

Ron Clarke

Ron Clarke

Melbourne 1500

Melbourne 1500

Ron Delany

Ron Delany

Bob Schul

Bob Schul

Glenn Cunningham, Paavo Nurmi, Jack Lovelock, Luigi Beccali

Glenn Cunningham, Paavo Nurmi, Jack  Lovelock, Luigi Beccali

Mihaly Igloi

Mihaly Igloi

Bob Seaman

Bob Seaman

Payton Jordan and Ernie Cunliffe

Payton Jordan and Ernie Cunliffe

Bob Richards

Bob Richards

Gail Hodgson

Gail Hodgson
Big 8 mile 1960 , Billy Mills 2nd from left

J.W. Mashburn

J.W. Mashburn

Max Truex

Max Truex
check out those shoes

Herb Elliott Istvan Rozsavolgyi Michel Jazy

Herb Elliott  Istvan Rozsavolgyi  Michel Jazy

Rafer Johnson

Rafer Johnson

Glenn Davis

Glenn Davis

Parry O'Brien

Parry O'Brien

Percy Cerutty

Percy  Cerutty

Gerry Lindgren

Gerry Lindgren

Ralph Boston

Ralph Boston

Roger Bannister

Roger Bannister

Tomas Barris, Dan Waern

Tomas Barris, Dan Waern
check those hammies

Merv Lincoln, Herb Elliot

Merv Lincoln, Herb Elliot

Missoni Auckland Racer $200

Missoni Auckland Racer $200

Zatopek's 1948 Adidas shoe

Zatopek's 1948 Adidas shoe

Adolph Plummer WR 440

Adolph Plummer WR 440
Adolph Plummer WR 440

Bob Hayes

Bob Hayes
Bob Hayes

1956 Adidas used by Curtis Stone

1956 Adidas used by Curtis Stone
1956 Adidas used by Curtis Stone

MacGregor first nylon upper 1954

MacGregor first nylon upper 1954
MacGregor first nylon upper 1954

Early Lydiards

Early Lydiards
Early Lydiards

Tigers 1975

Tigers 1975
Tigers 1975
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